Религия срещу Наука

[gandalfepi4]

За мен всеки, който вярва в Бог, е християнин(различните религии са просто различни пътища към Бог), така че всъщност тук името на религията не е от значение.
Добре, нека така да се изразим - няма смисъл атеисти да спорят с вярващи, просто защото говорим на различни езици, говорим за неща които едните не могат да разберат и усетят, за неща, които не се обясняват с "доказателства", за вяра и т.н.
Вярващите много добре знаят, че Бог съществува(даже някой си имат лични "доказателства" - магическата дума за атеистите), за това е безсмислено хора, които нищо общо нямат с религията, да смеят да им казват, че Бог е лъжа и т.н.

мдаа кажи го това на индусите

а иначе духовното си е духовно-ти го имаш, аз го имам проблеми нямам... библията вече е друго нещо

не може някой нормален човек да ми казва че това не е чисто зло-

GENESIS 34:13 – Shechem had premarital sex with Jacob’s daughter Dinah, which angered Jacob’s sons. Shechem and his father, Hamor, agree to circumcision for the men in the city in order for Shechem to marry Dinah and make Jacob’s other daughters eligible for the men of the city. Three days later, while the men are still enduring the pain of circumcision, Jacob’s sons attack the unsuspecting city, killing Shechem and Hamor with swords, looting the city, seizing the flocks, herds, possessions and wealth, plundering the houses and carrying off their women and children.

GENESIS chapters 6 & 7: Unhappy with the wickedness of man, God killed every living thing on the planet except Noah’s family. Men, women, infants and animals drowned in unimaginable terror and agony.

GENESIS 19:6- In Sodom, Lot’s home was assaulted by a homosexual mob seeking to have relations with two angels. Lot volunteers his virgin daughters to the crowd, saying “you can do what you like with them” as long as the guests are left alone.

GENESIS 19:26: God, apparently un-offended by the proposed rape of Lot’s virgin daughters, turned Lot’s wife to a pillar of salt for the heinous crime of looking over her shoulder.

GENESIS 38: 8-10 – Onan was instructed by Judah to lay with his brother’s wife to produce offspring for his brother (who was put to death by God for wickedness). Onan slept with his brother’s wife but “spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother” (NIV). God found this wicked, so God killed him.

EXODUS 2:12 – Moses saw an Egyptian beating up a Hebrew. He looked around, saw no witnesses, killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.

EXODUS 7:2-4 – God hardened Pharaoh’s heart and planned his “mighty acts of judgment.

”EXODUS 7:20-21 – God turned the Nile river to blood. The fish died, and the water was undrinkable.

EXODUS 8: 6-7 – God sent a plague of frogs which covered the land.

EXODUS 8:16 – God sent a plague of gnats.

EXODUS 8:24 – God sent a swarm of flies.

EXODUS 9:5 – God killed all of the Egyptian livestock with a plague.

EXODUS 9:10 – God sent a plague of festering boils on the people and animals.

EXODUS 9:22-25 – God sent a hail storm to Egypt, striking man and animal, stripping the land.

EXODUS 12: 29 – God killed the first-born in every Egyptian home that wasn’t marked with lamb’s blood.

EXODUS 17:13 – Moses held out the staff of God, allowing Joshua to kill the Amalekites.

EXODUS 21:20-21 – According to God’s law, it was wrong to beat a slave to the point of death. But if the slave survived and got back up within a few days, the beating wasn't punishable, because the slave was the property of the master. (God endorsed slavery.)


EXODUS 32:27 – After seeing the golden calf, God commanded the Levites, “Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” 3,000 were slaughtered, and God was pleased.

LEVITICUS 26:7-8 – God rewarded obedience with assurances that enemies will all die by the sword.

LEVITICUS 26:22 – God warned that, if the people didn't listen to Him, he would send wild animals to rob parents of their children, destroy cattle and leave the roads deserted.

LEVITICUS 26:27-29 – God threatened hostility, punishing people for their sins “seven times over,” making them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters.

NUMBERS 12:9-14 – God was displeased with Miriam, so he struck her with leprosy and banished her from the camp for seven days.

NUMBERS 15:32-26 – A man gathered sticks for a fire on the Sabbath. By God’s command, he was stoned to death.

NUMBERS 16:27-33 – The men were rebellious, so God caused the earth to open and swallow up the men, wives and children.

NUMBERS 16:35 – A fire from God killed 250 men.

NUMBERS 16:49 – A plague from God killed 14,7000

NUMBERS 21:3 – The Lord gave the Canaanites over to Israel, who “completely destroyed them and their towns.”

NUMBERS 21:6 – God sent venomous snakes, which bit and killed many Israelites.

NUMVERS 21:35 – With God’s approval, the Israelites went into the city of Og, killed the king, his sons, the army (leaving no survivors) and took over the land.

NUMBERS 25:4 – God told Moses to kill the leaders of Shittim and expose their bodies in broad daylight.

NUMBERS 25:8 – Phinehas, son of Aaron the priest, killed an Israelite man and Midianite woman with a spear, plunging the spear “into the woman’s body.”

NUMBERS 25:9 – A plague from God killed 24,000.

NUMBERS 31:9 – Under God’s command, the Israelites captured the Midianite women and children, and “they took all the plunder and spoils.”

NUMBERS 31:17-18 – God commanded Moses to kill all of the male Midianite children and “kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” The virgins are presumably raped. (NOTE: How could the soldiers know which women were virgins?)

NUMBERS 31:31-40 – God divided the plunder to the soldiers, the priest, the Israelites and for tribute to the Lord. 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys and 32,000 virgin women.

DEUTERONOMY 2:33-34 – Under God’s leadership, the Israelites utterly destroyed the men, women and children of Sihon. “…we left no survivors.”

DEUTERONOMY 3:6 – Under God’s leadership, the Israelites destroyed the men, women and children of Og. They plundered the livestock and possessions.

DEUTERONOMY 7:2 – God told the Israelites, regarding their enemies, to “destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.”

DEUTERONOMY 20:13-14 – God laid down the rules for battle, instructing the slaughter of all of the men. Women, children, livestock and possessions may be taken as “plunder for yourselves.”

DEUTERONOMY 20:16 –“…in the cities of the nations the LORD your god is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.”

DEUTERONOMY 21:10-13 – According to God’s law, if an Israelite soldier was at war with an enemy, and he saw a beautiful woman that he found attractive, he could capture her to be his wife. She must then shave her head, trim her nails and discard the clothing she was wearing when captured. She could mourn her father and mother for a month. If the soldier wasn’t pleased with her for any reason, he could “let her go wherever she wishes.”

DEUTERONOMY 28:53 – God’s punishment for disobedience included eating “the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.”

JOSHUA 6:21-27 – Under God’s direction, Joshua destroyed the entire city of Jericho…men, women and children…with the edge of the sword. They pillaged the silver, gold, bronze and iron for God and burned the city.

JOSHUA 7:19-26 – Achan took a robe and some money from the plunder. Joshua and the Israelites took Achan, the loot, his sons, daughters, cattle, donkeys , sheep and possessions to the Valley of Achor, where all were stoned and burned.

JOSHUA 8:22-25 – God helped Joshua battle and slaughter 12,000 men and women in the city of Ai. None escaped.

JOSHUA 10:10-27 – God helped Joshua slaughter the Gibeonites.

JOSHUA 10;28 – With God’s approval, Joshua put the city of Makkedah“ to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it. He left no survivors.”

JOSHUA 10:30 – The Lord gave the city of Libnah to Joshua. Everyone in the city was “put to the sword.”

JOSHUA 10:32-33 – God gave his approval as Joshua killed every man, woman and child in Lachish with the sword.

JOSHUA 10:34-35 – Everyone in the city of Eglon was killed by the sword of Joshua and his army.

JOSHUA 10:36-37 – God approved as Joshua killed the king of Hebron, its villages and every citizen. “They left no survivors.”

JOSHUA 10:38-39 – Joshua took Israel’s army to attack Debir. They killed everyone.

JOSHUA 11:6 – God commanded Joshua to defeat the enemy at the Waters of Merom. “You are to hamstring their horses and burn their chariots.”

JOSHUA 11:8-15 – Joshua’s army, under God’s command, did not spare “anyone that breathed.”

JOSHUA 11:20 – “For it was the LORD himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the LORD had commanded moses.”

JUDGES 1:4 – God gave the Canaanites and Perizzites into the hands of Judah. 10,000 enemy killed.

JUDGES 1:6 – Adoni-Bezek (of the Canaanites) fled, but Judah’s army chased him down and sliced off his thumbs and big toes.

JUDGES 1:8 – God approved the attack by Judah on Jerusalem. Judah’s army killed and set the city aflame.

JUDGES 1:17 – With God’s approval, Judah and Simeon utterly destroyed the Canaanites who inhabited Zephath.

JUDGES 3:29 – The Lord delivered the Moabites into the hands of the Israelites. “At that time they struck down about then thousand Moabites, all vigorous and strong; not a man escaped.”

JUDGES 4:21 – Jael drovea tent stakes through the head of Sisera.

JUDGES 7:19-25 – Under God’s direction, the Gideons defeated the Midianites. They killed and decapitated their princes and delivered the heads to Gideon.

JUDGES 8:15-21 – Gideon punisheed the men of Succoth with desert thorns and briers. He then “pulled down the tower of Peniel and killed the men of the town.”

JUDGES 9:5 – Abimalech murdered his own brothers.

JUDGES 9:45 – Abimalech and his men killed everyone in the city. Then he scattered salt over it.

JUDGES 9:53-54 – Abimelech was laying siege to the city of Thebez when a woman cracked his head with a stone. “Hurredly, he called to his armor-bearer, ‘Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can’t say “a woman killed him”.’ So his servant ran him through, and he died.”

JUDGES 11:29-39 – Jepthah sacrificed his beloved daughter on the altar after God gave him victory in battle.

JUDGES 15:15 – Samson killed 1,000 men with the jawbone of an ass.

JUDGES 16:27-30 – God helped Samson pull down the pillars of the temple, killing 3,000.

JUDGES 18:27 – The Danies go on to Laish, against a peaceful and unsuspecting people. They attacked them with the sword and burned down their city.

JUDGES 19:22-29 – A traveler from Bethlehem, his concubine and servant stayed as guests of an old man in Gibeah. Wicked men of the city surrounded the house, demanding to have sex with the male guest. The old homeowner offered his virgin daughter and the concubine, imploring the mob to “do to them whatever you wish.” The concubine was raped and died. The traveler put her dead body on his donkey, went home, took a knife, and hacked her into twelve pieces. He then sent the pieces to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

JUDGES 20:43-48 – The Israelites killed 25,000 men. 600 men fled to the desert. The Israelites went and put everyone in the towns “to the sword, including the animals and everything else they found.” Then they burned the towns down.

JUDGES 21:10-12 – The assembly killed every male and non-virgin female in Jabesh Gilead. They found 400 virgins to bring back for themselves.


SAMUEL 4:10 – The Philistines killed 30,000 Israelite soldiers.


SAMUEL 5:6-9 – As punishment for stealing the Ark of the Covenant, God afflicted the Philistines with tumors in their “secret parts.”


SAMUEL 6:19 – Some of the men of Beth Shemesh looked into the Ark. God punished them by killing all 70 of them.

SAMUEL 7:7-11 – God helped Samuel’s men kill the Philistines, “slaughtering them along the way to a point below Beth Car.”


SAMUEL 11:11 – Under God’s blessing, Saul and his army slaughtered the Ammonites “until the heat of the day.”


SAMUEL 14:31 – Jonathan and his men slaughtered the Philistines and “pounced on the plunder,” eating meat with blood in it. God supported the slaughter of men but was displeased at the eating of unclean meat. So Saul built an altar to the Lord.

1 SAMUEL 15:7-8 – God commanded Saul to attack the Amalekites and “totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”

1 SAMUEL 15:33 – “Samuel put Agag to death before the Lord at Gilgal.”

1 SAMUEL 18:27 – David and his men killed 200 Philistines, presenting their foreskins to the king to win Michal in marriage.

1SAMUEL 30:17 – David killed all but 400 Amalekites, who escaped.

2 SAMUEL 2:23 – Abner thrust the butt of his spear through Asahel’s stomach.

2 SAMUEL 3:30 – As revenge for Asahel’s death, Joab and Abishai killed Abner.

2 SAMUEL 4:7-8 – Ish-bosheth was lying on the bed in his bedroom. Recab and Baanah went into the room, stabbed and killed him. They decapitated him and took the head to David at Hebron. David was not pleased that an innocent man has been murdered.

2 SAMUEL 4:12 – David punished Rechan and Baanah by killing them, chopping off their hands and feet and hanging their bodies by the pool at Hebron.

2 SAMUEL 6:6-7 – The oxen carrying the Ark of God stumbled, and Uzzah reached out to steady it. God punished his “irreverent act” by killing him where he stood.

2 SAMUEL 6:22-23 – Michal mocked David for exposing himself to slave girls. Michal was punished by God, who made her barren of children for the rest of her life. (Also note the contradiction in 2 Samuel 21:8, where Michal is said to NOT be barren, but instead has five children.)

2 SAMUEL 8:1-18 – David’s acts included killing 2 out of 3 Moabite soliders, hamstringing 6,900 chariot horses, killing 22,000 Syrians, and striking down 18,000 Edomites in the Valley of Salt. Verse 6 says “…The Lord gave David victory wherever he went.”

2 SAMUEL 10:18 – David killed 700 charioteers and 40,000 Aramean foot soldiers.

2 SAMUEL 11:14-27 – David coveted Uriah’s wife. So he had him killed in battle so David could have Bathsheba for himself.

2 SAMUEL 12:1 – For David’s murder of Uriah, God killed David’s child.

2 SAMUEL 13:1-15 – David’s son, Amnon, fell in love with his own sister, Tamar, a virgin. She protested his advances, (verse 14) “but he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he raped her.” Afterward, Amnon hated her and cast her out of the room.

2 SAMUEL 13:28-29 – Tamar’s brother Absalom ordered his men to get Amnon drunk, then kill him for raping his sister.

2 SAMUEL 18:6-7 – David’s army slaughtered 20,000 men in the forest of Ephraim.

2 SAMUEL 18:15 – Joab took 3 javelins and plunged them into Absalom’s heart. Ten other men struck and killed him.

2 SAMUEL 20:10-12 – Joab plunged a dagger into Amasa’s belly, spilling his intestines onto the ground. Amasa died, wallowing in his blood inthe middle of the road.

2 SAMUEL 24:15 – God sent a plague on Israel to punish David for sin. 70,000 people died.

1 KINGS 2:24-25 – Solomon killed Adonijah.

1 KINGS 2:29-34 – Solomon killed Joab.

1 KINGS 13-15-24 – A prophet lied to a man, telling him it was fine to eat bread and drink water in a place the Lord had previously told him not to. The deceived man ate and drank there. God sent a lion to kill him, “and his body was thrown down on the road.”

1 KINGS 20:29-30 – The Israelites fought the Syrians. Enemy body count for a single day = 100,000. A wall fell on the 27,000 remaining people.

2 KINGS 1:10-12- Elijah called down fire from heaven. 50 men were consumed by the flames.

2 KINGS 2:23-24 – 42 children made fun of Elisha on the roadside because he was bald. Elisha cursed them. Two bears came out of the woods and mauled them to death.

2 KINGS 5:27 – Elisha cursed Gehazi and his descendants, forever, with leprosy.

2 KINGS 6:18-19 – The enemy came toward Elisha, and he prayed to God, “Strike these people with blindness.” God made them blind. Elisha then tricked them and led them to Samaria, where God opened their eyes again.

2 KINGS 6:29 – A woman cried out to the king of Israel, lamenting a great famine. She was upset because she had agreed to cook her son and eat him, but after the deed, another woman had refused to do the same.

2 KINGS 9:24 - Jehu tricked Joram, then murdered him with a bow and arrow, piercing his heart.

2 KINGS 9:27 – Jehu ordered his men to kill Ahaziah, king of Judah.

2 KINGS 9:30-37 – Jehu had Jezebel killed. Horses trampled her and her blood splattered the wall. Dogs ate her flesh and her remains were called “refuse” (trash).

2 KINGS 10:7 – Jehu had Ahab’s 70 sons beheaded. He then sent the heads to their grieving father.

2 KINGS 10:14 – Jehu ordered the death of Ahab’s family…42 people.

2 KINGS 10:17 – According to God’s word (spoken to Elijah), Jehu went to Samaria and “killed all who were left there of Ahab’s family; he destroyed them…”

2 KINGS 10:19-27 – Jehu trapped the Baal worshippers in the temple. He then told the guards, “Go in and kill them; let no one escape.” They slaughtered the worshippers and burned down the temple, using it as a latrine from that day forward.

2 KINGS 11:1 – Athaliah destroyed the royal family.

2 KINGS 14:5 – Amaziah executeed the officials who murdered his father.

2 KINGS 14:3-5 – God was unhappy with Azariah, even though he had done what was right in the eyes of the Lord. The high places had not been removed, and God was jealous of their sacrifices on that altar. So God afflicted Azariah with leprosy as punishment.

2 KINGS 15:16 – Menahem attacked the city of Tiphsah. He destroyed the town and “ripped open all of the pregnant women.”

2 KINGS 19:35- An angel of the Lord killed 185,000 men in the Assyrian camp.

2 CHRONICLES 13:17 – God delivered the Israelites to Abijah and Judah. 500,000 enemy dead.

2 CHRONICLES 21:4 – Jehoram killed all of his brothers, and some of the princes of Israel...put to death by sword.

ISAIAH 13:15 – Isaiah saw a prophecy regarding Babylon. “Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished.”

ISAIAH 13:18 – God’s punishment for Babylon was further described. “Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants, nor will they look with compassion on children.”

ISAIAH 14:21-23 – “Prepare a place to slaughter his sons for the sins of their forefathers; they are not to rise to inherit the land and cover the earth with their cities. ‘I will rise up against them,’ declares the Lord Almighty.”

ISAIAH 49:26 – God’s punishment on those who come against Israel. “I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh; they will be be drunk on their own blood, as with wine. Then all mankind will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior…”

JEREMIAH 16:4 – The word of the Lord about the children born in this land says “They will die of deadly diseases. They will not be mourned or buried but will be like refuse lying on the ground. They will perish by sword and famine, and their dead bodies will become food for the birds of the air and the bests of the earth.”

EZRA 6:12-13 – Darius’ decree said that, if anyone changed his edict, “a beam is to be pulled from his house and he is to be lifted up and impaled on it.” Then the house was to be demolished.

EZEKIEL 20:26 – Israel rebelled, and God’s punishment was sobering. “I let them become defiled through their gifts- the sacrifice of every firstborn- that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord.”

EZEKIEL 23:34 – God said that prostitutes would drink a cup of scorn and tear their breasts.

EZEKIEL 23:45-47 – God punished adultery. “…Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder. The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses.”

HOSEA 13:16 – Because Israel had rebelled, a wind from the Lord would blow in. They “will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, and their pregnant women ripped open.”

(Most of our focus has been on the Old Testament, but we’ve thrown in afew New Testament zingers just to quell the “Law VS Grace” crowd.)

MATTHEW 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Jesus endorses the mass murder, rape, slavery, torture and incest written about in the Old Testament.

MATTHEW 8:12 – Jesus warned of eternal torture in hell, “into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

MATTHEW 10:35-36 – Following Jesus means the possibility of turning a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, etc. “…a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.”

MATTHEW 11:21-24 – The cities of Korazin, Bethsaida and Capernaum were not impressed with Jesus’ great works, so Jesus said “Woe to you” and cursed them to a fate more unbearable than that of Sodom.

MATTHEW 8:21 - A man sought to follow Jesus, but he wanted to bury his recently deceased father before he went. Jesus replied, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead." Jesus ignored the man’s grief.

MARK 4:10 - In Jesus’ parable of the sower, he told his disciples that he spoke to others in parables so they’d remain confused...”otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.”

MARK 7:10 - Jesus taught that any child who cursed his parents should be killed according to Old Testament law.

LUKE 8:32-33 - Jesus cast demons out of a naked man and into a largeherd of pigs. They fell over a cliff to their death. The town asked Jesus to leave.

LUKE 12:47 - Jesus warned that a servant of God who does not heed his master will be “beaten with many blows.”

LUKE 19:26 - In the parable of the ten minas, the master (God) said of those who chose not to follow him, “...bring them here and kill them in front of me.”

JOHN 6:53-66 - Jesus said to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Despite the metaphorical tone, many disciples were uncomfortable with the idea and chose to walk away.

ACTS 5:1-9 - Ananias lied about the money he’d made on sold property, keeping some for himself. God killed him, then killed his wife for being in on it.

ROMANS 1:26-27 - Paul says that lesbians and homosexuals deserve death.

EPHESIANS 1:4-5 - Despite all of Jesus’ instructions to accept him as savior, Jesus also says God “predestined” those will be saved according to His pleasure.

HEBREWS 12:20 - God says that animals must be stoned to death if they lay foot upon Mt. Zion.

1 PETER 1:20 - Despite God’s failed experiment in the Garden of Eden, the mass execution of Noah’s flood and the final solution of Christ’s sacrifice, Jesus was predestined to be crucified all along. ”He was chosen before the creation of the world,”

REVELATION 6:8 - In the End Times, God gives Death permission to slaughter 25% of the earth’s population by “sword, famine and plague, andby the wild beasts of the earth."

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[SolusChristus]

И ми кажи после, че Бог не ставал за Хеви Метъл тема.

[Kaley]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/medi...ower-questions

[gandalfepi4]

и к'во? пусна един час видеа които трябва да съдържат 4 въпроса вместо да ги напишеш? това арогантност ли е или просто не си способна да ги перефразираш?

се тая, ето:

малко общи неща http://www.rational-skepticism.org/c...ist-t5132.html

пак малко общи неща http://exchange.bristolskeptics.co.u...n-evolutionist

1ви въпрос http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ-D5AUGVcI

2ри въпрос http://www.youtube.com/user/donexodu.../1/XhWds7djuWo

3ти въпрос ... е доста добре описан в по-горен линк

4ти въпрос http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m94z8ejEudc

а сега кажи осъзнаваш ли че единия от въпросите е за космология ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang )

друг за абиогенезис ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis )

третия чак за еволюцията и е наистина добър, но грам не я оборва а само я подпомага? дори разбираш ли че става въпрос за период който противоречи на библията? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precamb...e_the_Cambrian )

а четвъртия издава липса на обща култура от елементарно естество ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosau...arly_evolution )

[Kaley]

ама ти си голем пич бе както и да е се пак всеки със мнението си.. според мен в клипа сичко си е казано мнг точно.. КАК ОТ НИЩО ЩЕ СТАНЕ НЕЩО ?! от взрив да се получи подредба или от нква си капка растения, животни, хора.......... тва е тъпо.. пък и земята не е на толкоз билиарда години.. ако беше на луната да речем, щеше да има поне метър космичен прах.. то няма и 10 санта.. абе както казах всеки с мнението си, аз просто изказах моето и ти твоето тей че няма смисъл да прродължаваме спора щото според мен това си е един вечен спор..

[gandalfepi4]

АБЕ ЖИВОТНО ГЛУПАВО КАКЪВ СПОР!!!! КАК МОЖЕ ДА СИ ТОЛКОВА ПРОСТО ГОВЕДО??? ПЪРВО ЗАДАВАШ НЕКВИ НЕВЕРОЯТНО ГЛУПАВИ ВЪПРОСИ А ПОСЛЕ КАТО ПОЛУЧИШ ОТГОВОР НЕ ГО ПРОЧИТАШ НЕ ГО РАЗБИРАШ А СИ СТОИШ С ВЪПРОСА ЩОТО ТИ Е НЕПОСИЛНО ДА РАЗБЕРЕШ КАК МОЖЕ ДА СИ ТОЛКОВА ЗЛЕ БЕ ОТ КОЕ СЕЛО СА ТЕ УЧИЛИ ТАКА?

виж, извинявай че те насолих така ама не може толкова... само не се размножавай ОК? само за това те моля СТОЙ ДАЛЕЧЕ ОТ ГЕННИЯ БАСЕЙН

[filmimilmi]

@Kaley, по тази логика за тъпо ли намираш това, което те учат в училище?
Защо предпочиташ пред необятната истина да избереш ограничената (Бог)? Защо да имаш мнение по даден въпрос понякога е смъртен грях? Напълно приемливо си е обаче да имаш мнение от телевизора (Библията).
Ако поне веднъж надникнеш изън похлупака, който вярата ти поставя, ще успееш да разбереш защо има множество причини да не бива да вярваш на нещо поднесено ти наготово. Или ако може да се изразя малко по-метафорично. Опитай една неделя умишлено да пропуснеш службата и да правиш нещо друго. Тогава действително ще разбереш защото след като веднъж имаш цветен телевизор, посмъртно няма да си купиш черно-бял.

[Kaley]

необятната истина.. хаха.. еволюцията я намирам за неприемлива.. просто пълна тъпотия.. за другото.. ми не мерси.. така съм си прекалено добре и така ще си остана, всеки си има свобода да вярва в каквото иска...

gandalfepi4 `ич не ме трогваш.. даже нещо не схванах зако са разбуча ми как да не е спор.. аз казвам едно ти успорваш и обратното.. кво е

[filmimilmi]

необятната истина.. хаха.. еволюцията я намирам за неприемлива.. просто пълна тъпотия.. за другото.. ми не мерси.. така съм си прекалено добре и така ще си остана, всеки си има свобода да вярва в каквото иска...

Да, @Kaley, няма нищо лошо да си умреш неука. Просто жалкото в случая е, че наричаш еволюцията тъпотия. Хилядолетия хората са се опитвали да опознаят заобикалящия ги свят и да си обяснят както природните, така и чисто човешките феномени.

ЕВОЛЮЦИЯТА Е ФАКТ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6KYPmEw

Ето какво! Моля те погледни. Надявам се имаш потенциала да разбереш за какво става дума без да затвориш прозореца. Това вече е доказателство. Моля те да го опровергаеш като ти се струва както го определи.

Разбирам, че науката ти се струва твърде необятна и понеже си малко по-"семпла" (старая се да не кажа силни думи), предпочиташ да наречеш всичко онова, което не си разбирала в училище тъпотия, но аз поне не лепя етикети на твоите убеждения. Ако имаше Бог и ангели, да се бяха показали... Както и да е, не съм ти родител и нямам право да ти кажа колко много ограничаваш потенциала си и колко много чудеса изпускаш от живота, дано намериш своя път въпреки замъгления си мозък в момента.
Щастлива си единствено ако се молиш? Но винаги си сама?...

На кого ще си дадеш парите?


Хубаво е, че си намираш приятели по семинарите и в църквата, но все пак необходимо ли е да живееш в отрицание на толкова много неща молейки се на измислени еврейски апостоли?

[Kaley]

това, че не признавам еволюцията не значи че съм неука.. чела съм доста книги, статии и тн.. и все пак не вярвам.. кви еврейски апостоли ? Исус не е апостол.. пък и живота си е мой и искам така да си го живея.. както казах, много съм си добре.. всеки избира, аз съм избрала този път.

[gandalfepi4]

каквооо? как така ще е факт еволюцията бе? знаеш ли с какъв божествен замисъл са създадени космите в задника ти? не е ли очевидно че най-съвършеното творение на най-висшата сила се нуждае от такъв безпрецедентен бонус?

как другояче ако не с божествена намеса би обяснил зърната си? или краката които се намират в телата на змиите?

пич гледай фактите преди да изцепиш някаква такава глупост

еволюция пълни глупости! замисли се малко следващия път като ти настръхнат космите по гърба и ще усетиш божествения прмисъл с който си създаден, гарантирам ти

а сега нека да се помолим заедно за онези заблудени учени които ни дават дрехи, лекарства,технология,транс порт,забавления,знание и принтират книги като библията

[Kaley]

всъщност апостол е ама не е измислен.. айди със здраве `ора :]

[gandalfepi4]

ъ? к'ъв апостол к'ви 5 лева?

[Kaley]

не отговорих на теб а на filmimilmi.
btw http://hristianstvo.blog.bg/technolo...a-naukata.8550 ето ви една книжка, много хубава

[filmimilmi]

@Kaley, интересно ми е дали си прочела конкретната тема ОТ ДО с всяко мнение в нея. Ако го направиш ще ти направи впечатление (особено в това, което си казахме с @danieldemirov), че не се изказвам неподготвен и не говоря от името на МОН. Не исках да си помислиш, че искам да те изкарам с ниска обща култура, просто ще ми е интересно да отговориш на същите въпроси, които поставих малко по-назад. Нека включването ти тук е по-интересно от колкото в името на това да се разпишеш, за да загубуш малко време, а после да си тръгнеш с впечатлението, че си оставила хората тук да продължат "да се правят на интересни". Ние тук(каквито и да сме) не заставаме зад това, че "да си добър е тъпо", а просто сме любопитни в самия експеримент дали вярващите вярват буквално във всичко, което написано в Библията. Все пак религията е политика, а в днешно време по-скоро бизнес, та за това се водят всичките тези дискусии. Спазваме си законите, обичаме семействата си и своите близки, просто вярваме в доброто като нещо съвсем естествено, за да живеем по-добре, но не и като на средство за това, че вярата е път към Рая (място, където изпитваш вечен оргазъм). Ако Исус е божи син, то значи би трябвало целите му да са безкористни, тоест да е бил на Земята единствено, за да научи хората живеят в мир. Защо не просто вяра името на мира, а не вяра в името на авторитети, които общещават, че ще има някакво възнаграждение след смъртта?... Иначе просто прочети цялата тема и отговори на по-рано зададените въпроси. Този раздел предполага към малко по-сериозно отношение. Тук не се опитваме да издребняваме, а просто да пофилософстваме. В противен случай нито е полезно, нито интересно.

[zink]

господ е садист?

[gandalfepi4]

абе тъпанар такъв! как можеш да кажеш че умът който е решил да изтребе 99.999999999999999999% от всички животински и всички растителни видове заради делата на хората е садистичен бе!

[MajeStic]

Religion is a symptom of irrational belief based on groundless hope.

[kokolan]

Не съм чел горните 5 страници.
Докато не си способен да сложиш граница м/у наука и вяра разговорите с теб са загуба на време. Най-вече за теб.
Вярата ти в науката е толкова ВЯРА, колкото моята в Бог. Разликата е че на теб е дошъл един учен и ти е казал, че сиренето е изградено от атоми, а на мен един свещеник, че Христос умря за греховете ми. И така ... Ти нито си виждал/извеждал/доказвал лично твоите атоми, нито аз моя Христос, но двете твърдения не са взаимно-изключващи се. Едно и сигурно - че двамата с теб ще умрем и ще видим кой и крив и кой прав. А до тогава вместо да постваш излишни теми и да се тормозиш, посади едно дърво. По-полезно ще е за целия свят.

[gandalfepi4]

дърво нямам но миналата седмица посадих една бегония. а иначе леко грешиш-моята "вяра" е толкова вяра колкото да не съм солипсист, стига ми това че този който ми казва за науката е учител на който му се плаща, стига ми това че като помолиш учен да се обоснове винаги го прави и ти винаги можеш да повториш експериментите му + това че биология/химия/астрофизика/математика/психология/космология и всички клонове на науката са неразривно и хармонично свързани и следователно (явно) работещи, стига ми това че учените (независимо от религиозната им принадлежност) са тези които ме хранят, обличат, образоват и правят способен да правя същото вместо да водят паразитно съществуване на гърбовете на "стадото си овци" (колко уместно понякога) докато им чукат децата, правят собствени такива но незаконни, преебават правата на хомотата, преебавали са правата на жените, преебават медицината, образованието и лъжат като луди, оправдавали са робството (само миналата седмица "ариеца" каза че библията подкрепя нацизма, 'оди спори с него ако искаш), учат неграта че презервативите са носители на спин и тн и тн и тн като има някакви различия в зависимост кой как интерпретира съвършената книга (с десетки хиляди деноминации да ѝ пикам на съвършенството ама айде)

а отностно коментара ти-тъп си





http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/10146704.stm и по-конкретно:



снимки имаш ли на иисус ти, а чакай аз намерх:



уффф, грешка не е той а някакъв човек който има морал за разлика от атеистите, извинявам се.

[kokolan]

Ти пак не си разбрал какво ти казвам. Един приятел си беше написал, че когато мъдреца сочи звездите, глупака гледа пръста му. Щом и епитети и раздаваш значи ... Всъщност все тая...

[MochaOnMyLips]

Спор между религия и наука няма. Има спор между закостенялата обвивка на религията и науката.
И двете търсят отговор на всичко, всяка със собствените си методи. Мисля, че темата е леко тъпа.

[gandalfepi4]

^ уви, права си. надявах се че ще стане по-различна.

между другото сори но не си права-когато книгите които се смятат за свещени се окажат пълни с боклук става спор, защо иначе църквата е отричала доказателствата против геоцентричния модел, защо е искала да изгори галилей, защо папа йоан 2 каза да не ровичкаме в големия взрив?

мисля че това което искаше да кажеш е че няма противоречия между духовност и наука

ПП добре де, будизма май не противоречи на науката.

[MochaOnMyLips]

Имам лошия навик да съм права.
Fun fact: Ватикана официално обявява, че Земята е кръгла, през 1992г.

[kadishona]

До колкото си спомням тука говорим за Христянството като идея, начин на живот, размишления и култура! Не мисля че трябва да намесваш Западната църква!

Имам чустото че gandalfepi4 си няма друга работа освен да хули Христянството в тоя раздел...

Незнаех, че комунистите наистина толкова добре са си свършили работа, че още берем последствията..

Как си обяснявате теизма по целия свят? Дали той не е заложен в човека по природа?

А този, който говореше от името на МОН, не мисля че това е голям +, при положението че направи няколко грешки в поста си и при факта, че средностатистическия петокласник не може да каже азбуката..

Аз не мисля че без БОГ, може да се сътвори такъв ред от Хаоса! Може би и аз нямам предвид точно "човека, който стои на небето и ни гледа непрекъснато", но просто като чуя Ave Maria на Bobby McFerrin или на Pavarotti, разбирам че има Висш разум и тези хора са докоснати от него.

Идеята за Христянството никога не си е противоречала с науката. Това, което правят във Ватикана, мисля че няма нищо общо с това за което ние говорим тук.


Когато гръмне един динамит, трябва някой да натисне бутона,
Когато гръмне един "Голям взрив", пак някой трябва да натисне "бутона", не мислите ли?